danny dyer 11:14 Mon Dec 21
Council tax experts?
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Tricky situation. They are claiming I owe from Jan '13 in the house I now live in. Only moved in in Sept '14 (but yes I do own the property). I was living in a different house in Jan 13 and paying council tax there.
BUT apparently the bird I was living with there was claiming single allowance or wotever thats called. I used to give her cash for food/bills etc and she'd sort it out by standing order. Turns out she was trying to save a few quid by telling the council she lived alone and that I left in Jan '13.
So how the feck do I get out of this? If I tell the council it's bullshit and I was still living in previous property from Jan '13 and paying council tax, they'll say I underpaid (right??) and hit me with an extra bill. And yes I've wiped my knob on the letter.
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penners28
11:16 Mon Dec 21
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If you paid no council tax between those dates then you owe council tax...
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Brucies_Star_Prize
11:22 Mon Dec 21
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Pretty sure the rules changed recently, and that the full exemption period for an empty, unfurnished property is one month, as opposed to six.
Long term empty (over 18 months) is actually hit with a 50% surcharge, so unless you had tenants in the property then I'd imagine you are liable with a charge to pay.
If there were tenants in the property then all you have to do is provide proof of that.
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East Auckland Hammer
11:22 Mon Dec 21
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I'm not sure this is all THAT tricky a situation.
You didn't pay any council tax. Now you have to.
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Sven Roeder
11:22 Mon Dec 21
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You can prove you weren't living in the house they are claiming CT for for the period they were claiming presumably (ie Jan 13 to Sep 14)?
If so you have no liability.
In regards to the other place its the BIRD who has made a false declaration. Her problem
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danny dyer
11:23 Mon Dec 21
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As I said, Penners I did pay council tax at the other property. Although she was claiming single person council tax saying she was living alone!! Fucken cow. But we did pay it. Maybe they"ll hit me with a bill for the differential between single person reduction and full price??
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East Auckland Hammer
11:24 Mon Dec 21
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So you paid council tax to the chick you were living with, not to the actual council?
Sounds like someone took advantage of your simplemindedness.
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danny dyer
11:25 Mon Dec 21
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Is that true SVEN? If she made the false declaration it's her problem??? Cos that's basically what happened.
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Brucies_Star_Prize
11:26 Mon Dec 21
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Jan 13 to September 14 is 21 months. You can't claim an exemption an unoccupied property for that long, even prior to the introduction of the new rules.
With the long term empty surcharge, you may end up being better off saying you were living there.
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,
11:28 Mon Dec 21
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You definitely owe money so just work out how you can pay the least amount. Mitigate your losses so to speak. Find out where you were noted on the Electoral roll for the 2014 too.
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Sven Roeder
11:30 Mon Dec 21
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I'm no lawyer but I am guessing the full bill was in her name and she would have had to actively request the discount by making a false declaration.
I know councils are cunts but I am not sure where your liability comes in
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penners28
11:31 Mon Dec 21
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But danny, if she made a false claim then thats your problem for not checking you were on the bill?
No offence pal, but this is very basic...
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danny dyer
11:33 Mon Dec 21
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Bruce: it is a commercial property which during that time did not have living accommodation within it. So there is no CT due on it between Jan 13 and Sept 14. I paid business rates in full.
The issue is I moved into it (in Sept 14) when I split with the bird. Made a bedroom up out of one of the storerooms etc. So I've no problem with payin CT from Sept '14. But I was paying CT at the original property from Jan 13 = albeit the ex bird was claiming the reduced single person rate without telling me.
I'm wundering whether Sven is right and its her in the shit for falsely declaring it
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danny dyer
11:35 Mon Dec 21
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Penners, yes I except it was stupid. I just dropped her a load of cash each month for food/bills. I had no idea she was claiming the reduced single person CT. Just want to know where it leaves me now? Am I fucked. Or is she for making the declaration.
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Takashi Miike
11:37 Mon Dec 21
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she's in the wrong if you honestly didn't know what she was up to
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Brucies_Star_Prize
11:38 Mon Dec 21
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So you were paying business rates then turned it into residential accommodation.
If you stated that you moved in September 14 then they should accept that unless they have clear evidence otherwise. They clearly feel that your ex claiming an SPD constitutes that.
What you should do is state that you were living with your ex for that period and provide some form of evidence. Surely you must have that.
You will have your liability period adjusted and she will be hit with a hefty bill and potentially an additional penalty.
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After8
11:50 Mon Dec 21
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Sorry it you were living in a business and not actually saying it was a residential property?
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danny dyer
11:51 Mon Dec 21
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Bruce ; yes that's basically it in a nutshell. But I don't particularly want to drop her in the shit. Although obviously id prefer her to be in the shit rather than me
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danny dyer
11:53 Mon Dec 21
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A8 ; it is a commercial property. That's right. It didn't have any residential aspect until sept '14 when I converted one of the old storerooms into a bedroom. Not tryin to duck any payments, quiet happy to pay CT from when I made that ajustment.
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Brucies_Star_Prize
11:59 Mon Dec 21
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Unfortunately you have to make a choice:
Drop your ex in it or pay for a period you weren't living there. I'd go for the former as it is your ex who is in the wrong. I believe it's actually a criminal offence to falsely claim for a SPD.
You could of course explain the situation to your ex and ask for the money. If you can prove you lived in the property for the period - letters should do - then she is in a bad situation.
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